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	<description>[rarely a Bassist]... into Audio Production and Live Sound.</description>
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		<title>By: Sappy</title>
		<link>http://www.fayid.com/20100205/dynamics-music-explained-band-context/comment-page-1/#comment-7855</link>
		<dc:creator>Sappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>simple well said.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>simple well said.<br />
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		<title>By: Faya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monitoring deserves a separate article :) 
 
I&#039;d strayed out of topic previously by writing too much about monitoring here. Just wanted to highlighting the fact that for me &#039;accurate&#039; monitoring plays an important role in presenting dynamics (or any other aspect of a live performance for that matter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monitoring deserves a separate article <img src='http://www.fayid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d strayed out of topic previously by writing too much about monitoring here. Just wanted to highlighting the fact that for me &#8216;accurate&#8217; monitoring plays an important role in presenting dynamics (or any other aspect of a live performance for that matter).</p>
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		<title>By: Fayid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fayid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For me ‘monitoring’ is one issue in presenting good dynamics when performing live esp. in a bigger venue. I think it would be a insightful with your experience both as a musician and as a FOH engineer if you could give your thoughts regarding this issue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your comments seem to be inspiring more articles and I think I should devote an article to monitoring.

For now, and to answer your question briefly,  I think that, most of the time, the main problem is due to contradicting listening philosophies on a shared stage.  You mentioned how you listen. If that does not tally with the rest of the band or other bands on the same stage, there would be room for inconsistencies.

Monitor mixes are an individual affair.  A lot goes into the preferences of the performer.  It would be very helpful to establish a dialogue, to study and understand different listening philosophies and more importantly to ascertain what works individually and why.

From time to time, technical riders of international bands get forwarded to me and one thing that strikes is me, is the request for an exclusive desk (mixer).  Given the resource limitations here the in the Maldives, this is something that&#039;s not very often possible, when many bands cramp the few opportunities they have.

The other alternative would be to go digital for both FOH and monitor desks, to aide with recall ability, given the short transition times.  That said, some of the riders specifically request the desk to analog and not digital under any circumstance:  individual preferences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For me ‘monitoring’ is one issue in presenting good dynamics when performing live esp. in a bigger venue. I think it would be a insightful with your experience both as a musician and as a FOH engineer if you could give your thoughts regarding this issue.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your comments seem to be inspiring more articles and I think I should devote an article to monitoring.</p>
<p>For now, and to answer your question briefly,  I think that, most of the time, the main problem is due to contradicting listening philosophies on a shared stage.  You mentioned how you listen. If that does not tally with the rest of the band or other bands on the same stage, there would be room for inconsistencies.</p>
<p>Monitor mixes are an individual affair.  A lot goes into the preferences of the performer.  It would be very helpful to establish a dialogue, to study and understand different listening philosophies and more importantly to ascertain what works individually and why.</p>
<p>From time to time, technical riders of international bands get forwarded to me and one thing that strikes is me, is the request for an exclusive desk (mixer).  Given the resource limitations here the in the Maldives, this is something that&#8217;s not very often possible, when many bands cramp the few opportunities they have.</p>
<p>The other alternative would be to go digital for both FOH and monitor desks, to aide with recall ability, given the short transition times.  That said, some of the riders specifically request the desk to analog and not digital under any circumstance:  individual preferences.</p>
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		<title>By: Faya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me &#039;monitoring&#039; is one issue in presenting good dynamics when performing live esp. in a bigger venue. I think it would be a insightful with your experience both as a musician and as a FOH engineer if you could give your thoughts regarding this issue.

For me I always try to play with a balanced stage sound preferably with only the instrument amplifiers and using stage monitors to reinforce the instruments that are not using amplification (I&#039;m treating vocals as an instrument too).  

I also try to &#039;visualise&#039; (if there&#039;s such thing) or anticipate how the reinforced audio would sound like. Its really helpful in venues where the stage sound might be all boomy because of the kick back from the FOH woofers or because of the deficiencies of the stage acoustics.

And you got to have faith in the FOH and the monitor engineer ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me &#8216;monitoring&#8217; is one issue in presenting good dynamics when performing live esp. in a bigger venue. I think it would be a insightful with your experience both as a musician and as a FOH engineer if you could give your thoughts regarding this issue.</p>
<p>For me I always try to play with a balanced stage sound preferably with only the instrument amplifiers and using stage monitors to reinforce the instruments that are not using amplification (I&#8217;m treating vocals as an instrument too).  </p>
<p>I also try to &#8216;visualise&#8217; (if there&#8217;s such thing) or anticipate how the reinforced audio would sound like. Its really helpful in venues where the stage sound might be all boomy because of the kick back from the FOH woofers or because of the deficiencies of the stage acoustics.</p>
<p>And you got to have faith in the FOH and the monitor engineer <img src='http://www.fayid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: uniikmyx</title>
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		<dc:creator>uniikmyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>logically and clearly explained. thx for the article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>logically and clearly explained. thx for the article!</p>
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		<title>By: Fayid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fayid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dynamics is not something well understood by most musicians in the popular scene&quot;... well said.

The video: I don&#039;t think I could find an uncompressed and stream-able [audiophile] video on youtube.  I know it is compressed, but I think this suffices to explain the point here.  I hope to do one on Dynamics in the Sound Context soon.

Size [of the Orchestra] vs. Volume:  You&#039;re right.  That&#039;s the point. Thanks for a more appropriate description.

Coffee?... hmm.. you buying? Hehe...  Yes, let&#039;s explore... and thanks for the critical comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dynamics is not something well understood by most musicians in the popular scene&#8221;&#8230; well said.</p>
<p>The video: I don&#8217;t think I could find an uncompressed and stream-able [audiophile] video on youtube.  I know it is compressed, but I think this suffices to explain the point here.  I hope to do one on Dynamics in the Sound Context soon.</p>
<p>Size [of the Orchestra] vs. Volume:  You&#8217;re right.  That&#8217;s the point. Thanks for a more appropriate description.</p>
<p>Coffee?&#8230; hmm.. you buying? Hehe&#8230;  Yes, let&#8217;s explore&#8230; and thanks for the critical comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ikram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ikram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fayid, good that you have raised this issue. Dynamics is not something well understood by most musicians in the popular scene. Not in the context that you have explained. I have met and worked with several musicians who mix up the terms dynamics and timbre.  Anyways, few comments:
•	Going through the video, the dynamic range of the lead instrument (vocal) is very much narrowed down by the heavy compression. Further, when the full orchestra begins to play, ducking is applied as well to keep the vocals up front. The tonality of the instruments are left weaker compared with the vocals. It is for such reasons (conventional recording studio techniques) that popular musicians are often left confused. Because what they want to achieve in terms of sound was first in a vinyl, then a cassette, then a CD, and now in an iPod (worse than anything earlier). Unfortunately, we don’t really have good-sounding live shows and venues.  
•	The size of an orchestra does matter in terms of the overall volume. However, I don’t really think it is counteracting the dynamic range of the instruments. But yes the more unison(s) are added, ‘chorus’ will be obvious.    
•	Interesting topic would like to go for an in-depth exploration over a coffee table.. hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fayid, good that you have raised this issue. Dynamics is not something well understood by most musicians in the popular scene. Not in the context that you have explained. I have met and worked with several musicians who mix up the terms dynamics and timbre.  Anyways, few comments:<br />
•	Going through the video, the dynamic range of the lead instrument (vocal) is very much narrowed down by the heavy compression. Further, when the full orchestra begins to play, ducking is applied as well to keep the vocals up front. The tonality of the instruments are left weaker compared with the vocals. It is for such reasons (conventional recording studio techniques) that popular musicians are often left confused. Because what they want to achieve in terms of sound was first in a vinyl, then a cassette, then a CD, and now in an iPod (worse than anything earlier). Unfortunately, we don’t really have good-sounding live shows and venues.<br />
•	The size of an orchestra does matter in terms of the overall volume. However, I don’t really think it is counteracting the dynamic range of the instruments. But yes the more unison(s) are added, ‘chorus’ will be obvious.<br />
•	Interesting topic would like to go for an in-depth exploration over a coffee table.. hehe.</p>
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